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sodiun ascorbate hardness as compared to table salt and and sugar
Published by: cfz 2009-01-07
  • I need to know the hardness and or abrasiveness of sodium ascorbate. I want to use this in a packeged product and the contract packager as been warned aginst packaging products that contain table salt and sugar because it may damage the machinery. Therfore I need to know if sodium ascorbate hardness is less than salt or sugar?


  • polnud-ga, The short answer to your Question is, “Sodium ascorbate has a hardness/abrasiveness that is less than that for salt, and about equal to or slightly less than that of sugar.” Allow me to explain below. Chemical or mineral hardness is the ability of a surface to resist abrasion. The term is also used in water chemistry to indicate the total amount of divalent salts present in solution, usually either calcium or magnesium, but this latter application of “hardness,” as with “hard water,” does not appear to be the one which applies to you here. (Please correct me in a Clarification if I am mistaken). The hardness of the mineral halite (which is composed entirely of sodium chloride—ordinary table salt) is known to have a value of 2.5 on Moh's scale of hardness (1-10). (Note: On this scale, talc = 1 and diamond = 10). This means that if you clumped your table salt together into a big rock (or found a chunk of naturally occurring halite) you’d be able to scratch its surface with a fingernail. See the following mineralogical website from webmineral.com, which also includes a table defining the Moh's scale of hardness: [http://webmineral.com/data/Halite.shtml ]. By “sugar,” if you are referring to sucrose (ordinary table sugar), the mineralogical term ‘hardness” is not applicable, since sugar (sucrose) is technically not a mineral. It’s not classified as a mineral because it’s an organic compound. From the following University of Tennessee at Martin (UTM) mineralogy website [http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:JGE-CPuhU1kJ:www.utm.edu/departments/artsci/ggp/faculty/ElShazly/111CourseNotes/MINERALS.DOC+mineralogy+hardness+sucrose+sugar&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 ]: “(b) Inorganic nature: According to this definition, sucrose (sugar) is not a mineral, even though it has a definite internal structure, and a specific chemical composition, simply because it is an organic compound.” As someone with a B.S. degree in biology from a major U.S. University, who took inorganic, organic and bio-chemistry, as well as some geology, I have never heard of sucrose being given a hardness value on Moh's scale of hardness). At any rate, sodium ascorbate, which is the chemical name for “Vitamin C,” is a sodium salt of moderate to strong organic acids. (For reference, see: [http://monographs.iarc.fr/htdocs/iarcpubs/pub147/pub147consensus.html ], from IARC Scientific Publications No. 147). A good measure of its hardness may be obtained by examining a typical “Vitamin C” pill or tablet. Such a pill is more easily scratched than table salt—indeed, it readily crumbles when scratched with a fingernail. If it were a mineral (which it is not), it would be rated near the bottom (1-1.5, comparable to talc or perhaps gypsum) on the Moh's scale of hardness (1-10). So, although sugar and abscorbic acid are not true minerals and thus have no formally recognized “hardness” value as true minerals do, we can still make a sound qualitative assessment as to their relative hardnessess, or abrasiveness. Consider three rocks lying before you on a table, all of approximately equal physical dimensions (size). The first rock is halite (“rock salt”), which is your sodium chloride. If you pick this rock up and scratch it with moderate force using a fingernail, it will leave a clearly discernable mark. Other than that, however, the rock will be the same as it was before you scratched it. Now we look at rock # 2, which is a piece of “rock candy.” This represents your sugar (sucrose, as opposed to fructose or glucose). If you pick this rock up and scratch it, it will likely fragment along at least one of its facets, possibly even shatter. Now, “rock” # 3 is a large “Vitamin C” pill, which represents your ascorbic acid. If you scratch your fingernail across the pill with the same force used on the salt rock and rock candy, you will see that not only does it leave a scratch, but that some powder residue is released from the pill, which means you have physically altered its structure. Also, about one third of the time if you try this, the pill will fracture. This is a way of visualizing the fact that the sodium chloride is the hardest and most abrasive of the three. The absorbic acid is of approximately the same hardness and abrasiveness as the sugar, and most likely slightly less so. Keep in mind that I’m only treating physical properties here (hardness and abrasiveness). How abscorbic acid (or sucrose or sodium chloride) reacts (or doesn’t react) chemically in your particular application is a different story entirely. If your packager meant “abrasive” in a chemical sense, meaning that sugar has a tooth-decay-like effect on whatever it is that your shipping, then s/he may be right that it's a poor packaging choice. Make sure you and the packager are talking about the same thing—mineralogical properties of harness and abrasiveness that if ignored could cause product damage due to friction and abrasion from the abscorbic acid (or sugar or sodium chloride) during shipping. I’m going to post this as an Answer and allow you to request Clarification if you have any further details you need to provide about your operation in order to have me research it in a more focused context. Please don’t hesitate to ask for Clarification if this is the case, if you don’t understand anything I’ve written here, or if you feel I’ve left anything out that is important to you. Google search strategy: Keywords, “sodium ascorbate “: ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=sodium+ascorbate++&btnG=Google+Search , “hardness sodium ascorbate”: ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=hardness+sodium+ascorbate , “abrasiveness sodium ascorbate”: ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=abrasiveness+sodium+ascorbate&btnG=Google+Search , “hardness sucrose”: ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=hardness+sucrose , “://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=abrasiveness+sucrose , “hardness sodium chloride”: ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=hardness+sodium+chloride , “abrasiveness sodium chloride”: ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=abrasiveness+sodium+chloride , “sodium ascorbate packaging applications”: ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=sodium+ascorbate++packaging+applications&spell=1 “mineralogical hardness”: ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=mineralogical+hardness&btnG=Google+Search , “mineralogical abrasiveness”: ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=mineralogical+abrasiveness I hope this Answer helps you with your need for information on this topic. Good luck in continuing your inquiries! Sincerely, omniscientbeing-ga Google Answers Researcher
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  • I was hoping for a quantitative measure to compare. For the inorganic substances I have been told that “hardness is associated with ash content (level). It also can define burn duration. Sugar is published at around 12.5% ash level. Meanwhile, sodium ascorbate is 82%.” What does this mean? Also Sodium ascorbate is NaC6H7O6 and Ascorbic Acid is C6H8O6


  • the only additionl information I can give is that we are comparing salt, Sugar and sodium ascorbate that are all granular and of the same size as granulated sugar. Thanks for your extra mile.
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    Beclamide. Anhydrous lactose. Microcrystalline cellulose. Lactose fast. flo. Corn starch. Sugar (crystalline). Sodium ascorbate. Sodium bicarbonate
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    Methods For the Preparation of Stable Pharmaceutical Solid Dosage ::
    According to these patents, large amounts of alkaline earth metal salt are required .. sodium ascorbate, butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT), sodium sulfite,
    http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20080305158
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  • polnud-ga, After studying your Clarification request, I think there may be some confusion going on as to the context of our definition of "hardness." The chemically oriented definition of hardness is defined as "the concentration of multivalent metallic cations in solution including:
    The rheological properties of exudates from cured porcine muscle ::
    Sodium ascorbate was. added to the brine during this ünal mixing stage. . the heating and cooling cycles compared to controls. (Table 3).
    http://doi.wiley.com/10.1002/(SICI)1097-0010(199901)79:1<101::AID-JSFA189>3.3.CO;2-R
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    Addition of food additive information in LanguaL::
    File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobatda UDEN ELLER REDUCERET. SALT/NATRIUM: MÆRKNING. ELLER ANPRISNING. fr TENEUR RÉDUITE OU SANS. SEL OU SODIUM. NO OR REDUCED SUGAR CLAIM. OR USE [P0090]
    http://www.langual.org/download/Reports/LanguaL%202007%20-%20Multilingual%20Thesaurus%20English%20Danish%20French.pdf
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